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Bella
15-07-2007, 03:37 PM
This is from Today's Guardian. Peter Quentrell-Thomas' column. Enjoy
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No hope; prodigal son canââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t return




This is an actual e-mail I received from a reader. As funny as it isâ₠¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¦It speaks volumes about how far away from 2020 we are.

And not one politician is promising to reform the attitude of the people in the public service. Some days I really think there is no hope.

Various members of my family made the decision a few years back, when crime began to spiral to migrate, but the plan was always to †œcome homeâ₠¬Ã‚ after we equipped our children with whatever opportunities we could garner for success in their own lives.

My brother just returned from spending a week in Trinidad and Tobago, bonding with my father who still lives there.

Glad to be home and wanting to ensure he has all the tools he needs to return to T&T life in a few years, he decided to spend his first day renewing his driverÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s permit, obtaining his new birth certificate, getting his ID card and renewing his recently-expired passport.

But what happened made him believe he may never return to T&T again.

Bright and early he went to the Licensing Office in Cross Crossing, went through the whole process, and at the last stageÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã¢â‚¬Âthe cashierââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â‚¬Âhe got his slap in the face.

He was told the fee to renew his permit was $1,000. †œIsnâà ƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã¢â€ ¾Ã‚¢t the fee normally $250,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã‚Â he asked?

†œYes, but for people living in T&T,â₠¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ he was told. He had to pay a penalty (four times as much?) because heâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s a †œforeigner.Ãƒà ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚à ‚

He was told if he didnâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t like it, he could drive on his Canadian permit for up to three months.

Well, it wasnâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t worth it for one week, so after wasting over an hour, he decided to get his ID card.

Cancelled citizenship

He waited for service in the office and was eventually told they couldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t find him on the system.

They refused to believe he was actually a Trinidadian. He insisted he was, and half-an-hour later they found him on a cancelled list.

†œCancelled?Ãƒà ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚à ‚ How could he be cancelled? He wasnââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t dead.

No, but upon hearing from neighbours in the village that he had migrated, the EBC cancelled his citizenship. And mine, apparently.

No notice was sent to my fatherÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s house, which is my brotherââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s permanent address. They just cancelled it. He protested and was redirected to another office for assistance.

He got there just about noon and interrupted the woman police constable who carried on her entire conversation with him firmly holding on to her newspapers and occasionally lifting her eyes to him before going back to reading.

When my brother explained his situation to her and whom he needed to see, the conversation went like this:

WPC: She on lunch.

My Bro: When is lunch over?

WPC: When she done eat, I suppose.

My Bro: And what time is that?

WPC: Whenever she done eat.

My Bro: So what time is she coming back?

WPC: When lunch done.

My Bro: Which is?

WPC: Lunch done when lunch done.

My Bro: So what time, should I come back?

WPC: You could come back anytime you want. Is a free country.

My Bro: I just want to know when I can see this woman.

WPC: Well, she should be back at around one oâ₠™clock.

My Bro: Thank you.

ID approval

Of course, at 1:30 he was still sitting there in front of the WPC with no sign of the officer. He again approached the WPC to be told the woman was back and in the washroom. For 30 minutes?

My brother said he considered telling them about the virtues of fibre.

He eventually met her, only to be told that before she could grant approval for an ID card, he had to prove he became a Canadian citizen after dual citizenship came into effect.

She added that she needed to see his original Canadian citizenship documents, not the citizenship card, but the full certificate.

†œDe one with the whole Parliament on it, not de half Parliament.ââ ¡Ã‚¬Ã‚

Nothing my brother said would change her mind. Apparently, the laws of T&T are very clear on this requirement.

Still the optimist, my brother went to the office to see about his birth certificate (because he cannot get a passport without one).

The fellow there laughed at him because, †œde machine breakdown.ââ ¬Â

My brother was told to come back in four days. He asked what time they opened and was told if he was planning to come at opening time, he might as well not bother, because he wonââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t be seen, as his number would be too far down the line.

He found out that they gave out numbers about 30 minutes before opening. So he was willing to come back then.

The fellow laughed at him again, telling him that there is a line-up and he has to come in even earlier to get a decent number.

†œWhat time?ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã‚Â my brother asked. †œWell,â €  said the fellow, †œpeople does start lining up around two in de morning.ââ‚ ‚¬Ã‚

My brother came back to Canada and for the first time in his life, referred to somewhere other than T&T as home.

He said that as much as he misses T&T, it is good to come home. T&T, apparently, doesnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t want people to come back.

Just a thought!

©2004-2005 Trinidad

Cherry
15-07-2007, 03:55 PM
lol

I just realize my passport expire too.
I was home and I get the paper to fill out.

i find dem neighbour maccoious, gone and tell the people dey ride out...

bstoute
15-07-2007, 03:58 PM
I wonder if they cancel my citizenship

my TT drivers permit expire since 1996.... by this reckoning it would cost me bout $5000 to get one..

bstoute
15-07-2007, 03:59 PM
lol

I just realize my passport expire too.
I was home and I get the paper to fill out.

i find dem neighbour maccoious, gone and tell the people dey ride out...


I renewed my passport at the embassy NYC it took 2 weeks.. .

Cherry
15-07-2007, 04:07 PM
eh eh? shucks i forget that..
thanks!

Cherry
15-07-2007, 04:08 PM
wait you get the new scannable passport?

Veronica
15-07-2007, 04:26 PM
wow

that is some serious stuff boy

people cancelled a citizenship on hearsay?

wtf

before they cancell the citizenship of all them criminal who slip out, so America cant deport them back lol

saltwater
15-07-2007, 06:02 PM
Maybe he was living in a marginal seat.
The best was the woman police reading papers and not taking he on. I surprised that she did not have toothpick and dey digging she teet.

The Merikin
15-07-2007, 07:01 PM
And more dramma...too much dottishness...

Snowbird
16-07-2007, 01:21 AM
After reading that account I now understand why when my husband returned from a brief business trip to T&T earlier this year, his only comment to me when I asked..... "how was it" (his first visit after 37years), his response to me was..... " Trinidad is not for us ". I just feel sorry for the poor people there who have to endure that type of attitude and inefficiency day in day out.

kingofsorrow
16-07-2007, 06:31 PM
the only ting i dread about visititng trinidad is going thru the airport. every trip they does search me, interogate me, talk to me like i is a piece of trash. i does want to buss somebody head but i doh want to give them reason to arrest meh.

clayfairy
16-07-2007, 06:34 PM
the permit thing is NOT true
I just got my permit renewed....in advance....it was goin to expire in november.
I just showed them my ticket and i paid my $250....

clayfairy
16-07-2007, 06:37 PM
wait you get the new scannable passport?


cherry....it wud take a while for you to get the new machine readable passport if you apply in a foreign country for it...
from what i understand is that they are forwarding all applications down to trinidad for processing...
plus right now dey only doin first timers and expired passports (which applies to you.)

Nightshade
16-07-2007, 08:01 PM
And deh should Dr Stoute you are NOT recommended fer renewal...yoh citizenship has expired...now just move to St Kitts....people more friendly there.


I wonder if they cancel my citizenship

my TT drivers permit expire since 1996.... by this reckoning it would cost me bout $5000 to get one..

bstoute
16-07-2007, 09:32 PM
And deh should Dr Stoute you are NOT recommended fer renewal...yoh citizenship has expired...now just move to St Kitts....people more friendly there.


I wonder if they cancel my citizenship

my TT drivers permit expire since 1996.... by this reckoning it would cost me bout $5000 to get one..




I cyar live in St. Kitts.. ah coming by you to live.. .it mus be a virtual utopia compared to Trinidad. U have room in yuh basement?

Nightshade
16-07-2007, 09:46 PM
Dr Stoute, how long you been insulting me bro...I will have to lodge ah official complaint wid cherry...wait bro...you treating meh cousin nice...., if you screw up...dat is it you know...you will be disowned from WE family...



And deh should Dr Stoute you are NOT recommended fer renewal...yoh citizenship has expired...now just move to St Kitts....people more friendly there.


I wonder if they cancel my citizenship

my TT drivers permit expire since 1996.... by this reckoning it would cost me bout $5000 to get one..




I cyar live in St. Kitts.. ah coming by you to live.. .it mus be a virtual utopia compared to Trinidad. U have room in yuh basement?

Cherry
16-07-2007, 10:31 PM
wait you get the new scannable passport?


cherry....it wud take a while for you to get the new machine readable passport if you apply in a foreign country for it...
from what i understand is that they are forwarding all applications down to trinidad for processing...
plus right now dey only doin first timers and expired passports (which applies to you.)


yeah daiz what i thought cause meh neighbour tell me i have to do it from home and bring the papers for me...i wonder if it is even worth the hassle to get the scannable one...

The Merikin
16-07-2007, 11:38 PM
After reading that account I now understand why when my husband returned from a brief business trip to T&T earlier this year, his only comment to me when I asked..... "how was it" (his first visit after 37years), his response to me was..... " Trinidad is not for us ". I just feel sorry for the poor people there who have to endure that type of attitude and inefficiency day in day out.


How come your husband never visited for 37 years and suddenly he talking about inefficiency? He lived with it prior to his 37 years of absence, so what is his grief?

BB King once said when he was asked about racism in the South, he replied it never bothered him because he didn't know better. Well, it is the same thing for those poor/rich Trinis.

Snowbird
18-07-2007, 04:46 PM
After reading that account I now understand why when my husband returned from a brief business trip to T&T earlier this year, his only comment to me when I asked..... "how was it" (his first visit after 37years), his response to me was..... " Trinidad is not for us ". I just feel sorry for the poor people there who have to endure that type of attitude and inefficiency day in day out.


How come your husband never visited for 37 years and suddenly he talking about inefficiency? He lived with it prior to his 37 years of absence, so what is his grief?

BB King once said when he was asked about racism in the South, he replied it never bothered him because he didn't know better. Well, it is the same thing for those poor/rich Trinis.


Without getting into too many personal details; I'll share that as a young man he didn't have to conduct any serious business so if there were inefficiencies, they didn't affect him; so in that respect you are correct.
However, you would assume that in todays day and age people in business / service are aware of deadlines, priorities, and most important people honour appointments; he found (like the author) people in Trinidad are very unprofessional, and they put no value on other peoples time.

Bella
18-07-2007, 07:39 PM
he found (like the author) people in Trinidad are very unprofessional, and they put no value on other peoples time.



Unprofessional? They barely civilised

lyndon
18-07-2007, 07:49 PM
he found (like the author) people in Trinidad are very unprofessional, and they put no value on other peoples time.



Unprofessional? They barely civilised

Neila you not easy nah lollol

Snowbird
18-07-2007, 09:34 PM
he found (like the author) people in Trinidad are very unprofessional, and they put no value on other peoples time.



Unprofessional? They barely civilised


And by being that way they do not even realize that they may be harming their country more than they know.
Daily, this bad attitude is disillusioning potential Small Business people who would otherwise be more than happy to return to T&T and bring their assets ($$$) with them; these are not people who are coming to take anything out of the country (they have already made their own); instead, these are people who are in a position to bring something to the country that would probably enhance the lifestyle of Trinidadians.

Anyway Trinidad's loss is some other island's gain.

deeva
19-07-2007, 03:14 PM
I believe this "story" is really a story .
I paid $250 to renew a drivers' permit which expires in October.
I got my new birth certificate in the mail 3 weeks after the application was filed.
I don't think the EBC can or has the authority to cancel anyone's citizenship .

Cherry
19-07-2007, 11:25 PM
i feel is the neighbour dem punk this man lol

Nightshade
19-07-2007, 11:56 PM
Merikin, why you answering yoh own questions.

Is like me growing up in de village and tinking everybody have flush toilet...de latrine was de norm....



After reading that account I now understand why when my husband returned from a brief business trip to T&T earlier this year, his only comment to me when I asked..... "how was it" (his first visit after 37years), his response to me was..... " Trinidad is not for us ". I just feel sorry for the poor people there who have to endure that type of attitude and inefficiency day in day out.


How come your husband never visited for 37 years and suddenly he talking about inefficiency? He lived with it prior to his 37 years of absence, so what is his grief?

BB King once said when he was asked about racism in the South, he replied it never bothered him because he didn't know better . Well, it is the same thing for those poor/rich Trinis.