Tithing...

[The Merikin]

...what does the Kabbalist/Bible say about it?

[Hawke]

that you should give up a tenth of your earnings toward tithes... Normal collection and missionary contributions are unimportant, as it is more or less a choice, but it was a command that church-goers should at least contribute a tenth of their earnings toward the church, but that as well is still a choice

[Somebody007]

Those things would have been applicable many centuries ago. Ah mean when you look at the state of 'religion' now, ah does see alot of dem pastors getting real rich (personal wealth)...can you imagine giving away one tenth of your salary to one ah dem small churches in Trinidad for example.....I could see some people having a real field day with that money.....ah mean and from history I have read the purpose of the money was to upkeep the church, a little for the priest/pastor and for those who upkeep the church, the rest was to help the poor, but in reality, do these things really happen when you give money to the church?

[saltfish26]

Sincere, well-meaning Christians sometimes claim that tithing was "carried over" from the Old Covenant into the New Covenant, but if we compare the modern form of tithing with the tithing commands under the Old Covenant [Old Testament] then we can see that there is not a single person today who is tithing according to the tithing commands under the Old Covenant.

Christians sometimes use Malachi 3:8-10 to teach that all of our tithes (10% of our gross income) must be paid to our local church (the modern "storehouse of God"), which most Christian tithers pay in the form of money. Yet even if tithing was "carried over" from the Old Covenant into the New Covenant, notice that the modern form of tithing does not conform to the tithing commandments given by God. Recall that when God commanded tithing, it was always meant to be from the land or from the flocks because it was always meant to be eaten. In fact, everyone didn't need to tithe (e.g. the poor), yet modern tithers say that every Christian must tithe, including the poor.

Even when the Israelites were allowed to convert their edible tithes into money in order to carry their tithes to the place where God dwelt, they were not allowed to give that money as their tithe. They needed to convert the money back into food and then eat their tithes. We saw that the tribe of Levi was meant to be taken care of through the Israelites' tithes, and that the Levites ate 90% of the "Lord's Tithe" that they received. The best 10% from the "Lord's Tithe" went into "the storehouse of God" in order for the priests to eat it. Notice that this is a totally different method of tithing than the way in which Christians are tithing today.

In addition, we saw that there was a "Lord's Tithe," and there was a "Festival Tithe," and every three years there was a "Poor Tithe." If tithing was "carried over" from the Old Covenant into the New Covenant, as Christians sometimes claim, then why is it that pastors never collect a "Festival Tithe" or a "Poor Tithe"? And why is it that pastors urge the poor to tithe when the poor never tithed under the Old Covenant? These things give the impression that perhaps pastors have not fully understood Old Covenant tithing, or perhaps they do not really believe that Old Covenant tithing was "carried over" into the New Covenant. If they truly believed that tithing was "carried over" into the Church Age then they would teach us to tithe according to all of the Old Covenant passages.

Pastors are teaching a form of "tithing" which is different from the way that anyone ever tithed throughout the Bible, which means that this modern form of tithing is a man-made invention because it is found nowhere in Scripture. Pastors are human and they make mistakes just like the rest of us, and no offense is intended here.

[Veronica]

Benny Hinn have a Gulf Stream jet, yes man he need tithes, fuel expensive,

[saltfish26]

He upgraded it about a month ago eh. It was bought through Denison Jet Sales in Bradenton Fl.

[Veronica]

this makes me so mad.

y people so dotish to keep funding this man. ugh

[Nightshade]

Ms Vamps, you have to stop blaming odder people fer yoh madness, oh and de reason people do dem tings is because deh insecure besides he ah good con man..., send peanut ah IM and ask she to ask Patrick Manning.


this makes me so mad.

y people so dotish to keep funding this man. ugh

[saltfish26]

Ms Vamps, you have to stop blaming odder people fer yoh madness, oh and de reason people do dem tings is because deh insecure besides he ah good con man..., send peanut ah IM and ask she to ask Patrick Manning.


this makes me so mad.

y people so dotish to keep funding this man. ugh



Call him and ask him. He in Vistabella for the Christmas. I have the ph #!

[Nightshade]

And de number is?



Ms Vamps, you have to stop blaming odder people fer yoh madness, oh and de reason people do dem tings is because deh insecure besides he ah good con man..., send peanut ah IM and ask she to ask Patrick Manning.


this makes me so mad.

y people so dotish to keep funding this man. ugh



Call him and ask him. He in Vistabella for the Christmas. I have the ph #!

[saltfish26]

deleted . if yuh eh get it .. you are sol lol

[Nightshade]

Is OK, ah din want to waste my money talking to ah jackass anyway.


deleted . if yuh eh get it .. you are sol lol

[Somebody007]

?????

[Veronica]

[Peanut posted Manning's number in Vistabella and then deleted it]


Like we want to speak to him anyway.

Give me KingB cellphone number, I want to tell Reva Merry Christmas rofl

[The Merikin]

We have to remember one thing that in those days it was mostly an agrarain society. Today we tithe the equivalent 10% of we goat, sheep, oxen, yam and casava.

When they speak of the poor those were the people who had no posssessions. However, if any man laboured he had to pay the tithe, it was simple as that.

It is out of the 'Festival Tithe, also known as the Feast of Tabernacles where that tithe was used for mostly enjoyment in the sense of eating and drinking at a place determined by the high priests. They lived in booths for approx. 14 days. They were also even permitted to consume strong drink. Oh, and that 3rd tithe was saved up for that sole purpose during the year.

The Levis were the priests, they never worked,hence the reason for them receiving the tithe. The tribes had to take care of them throught their tithe.

Today notice how the Bill GAtes, and the Warren Buffets etc tithe, they give above that 10% not just to their church or synagogue but to the poor, and the sick arounf the world.

Yes, and we wonder how come they keep getting and getting, well, they keep giving and giving!

[Veronica]

you know, at the end of the day, it don't matter what which testament say....it is kind to give....and help out the less fortunate....so just do it...that is all we need to know.

i know someone who will spend hundreds on christmas decorations...and refuse to give their babysitter ah extra 30 to help her buy a fan.....dat eh right.



u don't have to even give 10%, just go through your closet and anything you haven't worn in six months, put in a bag and give away.

[saltfish26]

I agree with that VP.

I will never give 10% of my salary to the Church, but I would gladly give 15% to those who need it.

[The Merikin]

Lets not forget that it also says, "Give and give in good measure, it will come bacl to you in overflowing measure..."

Nothing is wrong if you give to the Church, providing that they are doing something fulfilling with the money.

Dont forget money is also energy!

[saltfish26]

You are right Merikin, Luke 6: 38 says;

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

No verse in the bible says that Jesus ever paid the tithe!

When you give, give from a heart of love as God has prospered you, not from a fear of obligation!

The Ten-percent across the board tithe is an anti-biblical modern invention totally lacking any biblical basis. Giving to the church and tithing are two different things.

You may give a percent of your gross, or take home pay to the church, that’s up to you. But, personally, I don’t think I would tell God I was going to give one amount and then give another (according to Acts 5-the story of Ananias and Sapphira). Just tell God what you are going to give, and then give that amount.

God does not want you to, nor does he demand that you give to the detriment of your family. He is not exalted with your giving 10% while ignoring your bills and perhaps going into bankruptcy.

In the entire Bible, the tithe is only food, and was used to provide food for the Levites and Levite Temple Priests. Every third year of a seven-year cycle, families kept the tithe to meet emergencies feeding the less fortunate. The seventh year was a sabbatical year when no tithe was demanded, or given. The tithe was not universal. Only landowners with planted fields, orchards, vineyards, and/or those owning herds paid a tithe. All others were exempt from the tithe.

Would you have paid a tithe under that system or would you have been exempt?

The tithe was a demand under law. Are you under the law, or are you under grace?

[The Merikin]

If we look beyond religion, giving is fulfilling and rewarding to all those who give whether it be the 10% greater or lesser.

Why is it the rich keep giving and getting while the little man on the street keep getting and not giving?

Notice that most people who don't give that tithe or offering of their time or money is always in a hell-of-a-fix!

[saltfish26]

If we look beyond religion, giving is fulfilling and rewarding to all those who give whether it be the 10% greater or lesser.

Why is it the rich keep giving and getting while the little man on the street keep getting and not giving?

This is where the love of Christ comes in. We do not know what is true love without Jesus. Surrendering not only our material things to Christ but also our spiritual things to Christ is part of giving. 2 Corinthians 9:7 "Every man according as he purposed in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver." As Christ gave his all not out of necessity, but rather out of love then we ought to follow his example. We should love to give! In Malachi God promises that he will "open the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."

Notice that most people who don't give that tithe or offering of their time or money is always in a hell-of-a-fix!


In this world there are givers and there are takers .. Some haven't learnt yet that is in our giving ... we recieve.

[Nightshade]

Mister Merikin, de giving of de little man is impossible, de giving tray is set waay high.


If we look beyond religion, giving is fulfilling and rewarding to all those who give whether it be the 10% greater or lesser.

Why is it the rich keep giving and getting while the little man on the street keep getting and not giving?
Notice that most people who don't give that tithe or offering of their time or money is always in a hell-of-a-fix!

[Thais]

tithe=10% of your increase. Today increase usually equals money.
I don't have a problem paying 10% to a church that uses it all for the poor, maintenance, etc.
Whoever said Jesus didn't pay tithes, lol. he didn't have any increase. think about it.
Any church that doesn't ask for sacrifices doesn't have the power to save.
“I do not believe one can settle how much we ought to give. I am afraid the only safe rule is to give more than we can spare. In other words, if our expenditure on comforts, luxuries, amusements, etc., is up to the standard common among those with the same income as our own, we are probably giving away too little. If our charities do not at all pinch or hamper us, I should say they are too small. There ought to be things we should like to do and cannot do because our charitable expenditures excludes them.” — C.S. Lewis (1898-1963), English author and scholar